IAN'S BUS STOP

Prepared by Ian Smith

Created December 1997, updated 21st October 1999

The Inside Staircase Standard LTs: LT 151-740, 742-950 (total 799) 3/1ST9/1

The LT3s were ordered as replacements for the S class when it became apparent that the CCs were not going to fulfill this role. They had AEC Renown chassis and inside staircase bodies based on the principles adopted for the ST class: a full-width loading platform and a straight staircase. This did limit seating capacity to 56, however, compared with 60 on the open-staircase LT2s. They had windscreens and the larger type of front display case. For some reason, probably to do with overall length limits, the bay spacing became a uniform 35.75", compared with the 36" of the LT2s. This complicated spares keeping, and helped result in the segregation of the types by garage.
The first 360 chassis were ordered for service in 1931. Not all the bodies were built by Chiswick: Chiswick built 110 (including 10 spares); Park Royal 90, Strachans 80 and Short Bros 80.
They entered service in 1931.

There were the usual experimental buses and batches within the order, of course. One of the Chiswick bodies was built with the upper deck curved inwards, and a rear dome, perhaps as a prototype for the LT5 type to follow. It received the unique LT4 code.

A larger variant group had AEC-Acro diesel engines: LT 191-199 were coded 4LT and kept these bodies because of various modifications to do with the transmission. They operated as a group, going first to Harrow Weald (HD), then, with modified AEC-Ricardo engines in 1932 from Hanwell (HW). In 1935 they moved to Mortlake (M).

LT 439/448 were fitted with fluid flywheels and Daimler/Wilson gearboxes. Again , modifications to the bodies were needed, and these (LT3/2) stayed with petrol-engined chassis with preselector gearboxes throuhgout their existence. Mostly this was at Plumstead garage, where such LTs were placed together.

LT5 drawing

LT165 in the LT Museum, 1998

Another 450 LTs (LT 501-950) were ordered (with 463 Chiswick bodies) during 1931. Twenty of them were to be fitted with diesel engines and 20 with Daimler transmissions. Most of them were received a body design based on the LT3 but with a tumblehome at the top and a domed roof (but not as much as on the solitary LT4) They also had improved destination blinds. LT5 bodies had a large box built into the cab roof, with provision for a board placed above that (with external lamp). These lamps and boards were not allowable during the war-years, and were left unused, although the lamp housings were not removed.

LT5/1 drawing The 103 LT5/1 bodies went a stage further, with a three piece front display: a destination line built into the cab roof, a large via-points display panel on the body front, and a roof-mounted number box.
These bodies and the LT3 bodies were interchangeable, and the float system with spare bodies ensured that they soon became thoroughly intermixed. The chassis too changed transmissions at overhaul, only settling down in 1940 once the crash gearbox petrol buses were all converted to diesel.

In 1934 there was a programme of replacing petrol engines with oil engines, and 169 LT3s/5s were converted. Another 24 were converted in order to give petrol engines to the LTC coaches in 1937. All the conversions of this group received chassis code 12LT, with the body codes being altered at the same time: 2LT3, 2LT5 and 2LT5/1 becoming 12LT3/1, 12LT5/6 and 12LT5/5. The remainder with crash boxes were converted in 1939-40, codes this time being 1/12LT3/3, 1/12LT5/8 and 1/12LT5/7.
The buses with preselector Daimler gearboxes retained their petrol engines, and worked as a group from Plumstead.

The LT3s and LT5s in service

The first deliveries in 1931 were LT3s, which went in January to Mortlake (M), Merton (AL), Barking (BK) Nunhead (AH), Elmers End (ED) and Tottenham (AR). Some of the new buses to Nunhead displaced LT2s to Leyton. Likewise the 22 preselector-fitted LTs that went to Plumstead displaced LT2s to Leyton.

1930 route no. 1934 route no. Route Garages

73A 73 Stoke Newington - Richmond M

173A 73A Stoke Newington - Roehampton M

5A 15 Raynes Park - Upton Park (Forest Gate) AL

5B 5 Clapham Common - Wanstead AL

133 133 Liverpool Street - South Croydon AL

134 133A Liverpool Street - Addiscombe AL

23 23 Marylebone Station - Rainham BK

123 23A Marylebone Station - Gidea Park BK

63A 63 Honor Oak - Chalk Farm Station AH

82 - East Acton - West Wickham AH

112 - Park Royal - Lower Sydenham AH

168D 68 Kings Cross - Waterloo Station AH

12A 12 Oxford Circus - South Croydon ED

73A 73 Stoke Newington - Richmond AR

76 76 Victoria Station - Edmonton AR

1930 route no.	1934 route no.	Route	Garages
73A	73	Stoke Newington - Richmond	M
173A	73A	Stoke Newington - Roehampton	M
5A	15	Raynes Park - Upton Park (Forest Gate)	AL
5B	5	Clapham Common - Wanstead	AL
133	133	Liverpool Street - South Croydon	AL
134	133A	Liverpool Street - Addiscombe	AL
23	23	Marylebone Station - Rainham	BK
123	23A	Marylebone Station - Gidea Park	BK
63A	63	Honor Oak - Chalk Farm Station	AH
82	-	East Acton - West Wickham	AH
112	-	Park Royal - Lower Sydenham	AH
168D	68	Kings Cross - Waterloo Station	AH
12A	12	Oxford Circus - South Croydon	ED
73A	73	Stoke Newington - Richmond	AR
76	76	Victoria Station - Edmonton	AR

The LT5s began to appear during the Nunhead deliveries, and went to Muswell Hill (MH), Hammersmith (R), Shepherds Bush (S), Dalston (D) Chalk Farm (CF) Harrow Weald (HD) and Upton Park (U). The LT5/1s went mainly to Upton Park, and thus received that garage's distinguishing feature: a serial number on the rear roof dome, to assist in the fuelling process there.

1930 route no. 1934 route no. Route Garages

43D 43 Whetstone - London Bridge MH

11E 11 Liverpool Street - Shepherds Bush R, S and D

77A 77 Kings Cross - Tooting CF

177 77A Kings Cross - Raynes Park CF

18 18 London Bridge - Harrow Weald HD

114B 114 South Harrow Station - Edgware Station HD

142B 142 Kilburn Park Station - Watford Junction HD

158 158 Watford Junction - South Harrow Station HD

15A/B 15 East Ham - Ladbroke Grove U

126 25C East Ham - Victoria Station U

101A 101 North Woolwich - Wanstead U

145B 145 Becontree - Woodford Wells U

224 U

172 U

1930 route no.	1934 route no.	Route	Garages
43D	43	Whetstone - London Bridge	MH
11E	11	Liverpool Street - Shepherds Bush	R, S and D
77A	77	Kings Cross - Tooting	CF
177	77A	Kings Cross - Raynes Park	CF
18	18	London Bridge - Harrow Weald	HD
114B	114	South Harrow Station - Edgware Station	HD
142B	142	Kilburn Park Station - Watford Junction	HD
158	158	Watford Junction - South Harrow Station	HD
15A/B	15	East Ham - Ladbroke Grove	U
126	25C	East Ham - Victoria Station	U
101A	101	North Woolwich - Wanstead	U
145B	145	Becontree - Woodford Wells	U
224			U
172			U

The War and after

The LTs were major players in keeping London moving during the Second World War. Together with the STLs they were the major crowd-shifters. They did suffer both the direct and indirect ravages of the war. A large number were destroyed in Elmers End garage by a "doodle-bug", with even more wrecked enough to require a major body rebuild. The supply of spare bodies, built for the float to keep the required number of bodies and chassis in overhaul at any one time, was used up. Even one chassis was put together from spares to "resurrect" a destroyed bus. On the other hand, one LT was wrecked twice!

But even during the war there were new LT routes, as traffic patterns shifted. One notable one (for me) was the 126, a replacement for the single-deck "scooter" 254 route.

Most of the 1931 LTs survived the war, to be displaced by early postwar Daimlers, or by other reshuffled utilities or STLs as the RT programme got under way. The last were replaced at the end of 1949, ready for the new decade.

inside stair LT histories photo references Part 4: Bluebirds. Ian's Bus Stop LT index. Part2: CCs. Insiders.